- What is your general definition of teacher leadership?
- What examples of teacher leadership have you observed or experienced?
- How is leadership for meaningful technology integration different from other kinds of leadership?
- From your perspective, what are the benefits and the challenges of teacher leadership for technology (for teachers, for students, for schools, for the profession)?
Wednesday, January 18, 2012
Module 1 - What do you think about teacher leadership for technololgy?
The major concepts of this course are concepts I grapple with every day in my work as a professor teaching in an online environment, as a member of the team coordinating the accreditation process for our teacher education programs (framed by both the WVPTS and NETS-T), and as a point person for the development of the School of Education's online assessment system (in TaskStream). When I began teaching in higher education, none of these responsibilities existed because the digital media we now use to accomplish this work didn't exist and the expectations about technology integration were vastly different. I've seen tremendous benefits and challenges as a result of these new expectations; for me as a professional, for my students and colleagues, and for teaching and learning. Thinking about your experiences, consider these guiding questions:
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ReplyDeleteTeacher leadership is teachers leading teachers. It's not top-down leadership or some expert (and stranger) coming in to train/lead teachers. The past 3 years I was a TIS in one school. The teachers in that school have learned from me and are light-years ahead of other teachers in the county. Without even realizing it, without even meaning to I have created teacher leaders. For example, one of these teachers has become the poster-child for the JASON project and leads trainings on it all over the state now. Another one of the teachers came to a training I had and helped me by tutoring and giving more individualized attention to some of the more struggling “students” in the training. That's teacher leadership: take what you've learned and share it!
ReplyDeleteAs far as leadership in tech integration, because of the anxiety we spoke about in the welcome posting, there is care that must be taken in the approach. Other types of leadership, such as being a faculty senate president, are less threatening. People are very sensitive about their abilities. As a leader in tech integration, you have to recognize this. Otherwise, you will be ineffective.
The biggest challenge I see with teacher leadership for technology is a serious lack of TISs. Not to sound egotistical, but, as I said above, I saw how a TIS in one school leads to change, leads to the creation of teacher leaders in technology. Every school NEEDS a TIS. Not a TIS who is only there once a week. But a TIS who is there everyday, who can coach and work with teachers everyday to mold them into teacher leaders. Eighteen hours of continuing education, random trainings on technology initiatives here and there won't accomplish what a TIS can! The benefits of teacher leadership in technology are a staff on the cutting-edge of technology and education and a staff willing to try things, even if that means they fail. They are a staff full of leaders; a staff full of change makers!
Hilary - I love the definition of teacher leadership as taking what you've learned and sharing it. It sounds like to me that you were that kind of leader who is a catalyst for this kind of "paying it forward."
DeleteWhat is your general definition of teacher leadership?
ReplyDeleteWhen a student needs help then I want to be the person whom they can depend to get results. The phrase that comes to mind is “the buck stops here.” To me that is what it means to be a leader, especially a teacher leader. Excuses have no place in a classroom but the students will always have new ones ready to unleash so as the leader of my classroom I cannot add to the already overflowing rubbish bin of excuses also known as seventh grade. I am in charge of someone’s life for good or bad. My decisions will alter the lives of my students so I will do my best to help them succeed. No excuses.
What examples of teacher leadership have you observed or experienced?
I am leader everyday in my classroom. I have to deal with winning the dance- dance- revolution state championship as well as broken legs. I have to deal with new boyfriends and lost loves. I have to deal with adoptions and divorces. I'm a teacher; I'm a leader.
How is leadership for meaningful technology integration different from other kinds of leadership?
Technology has a huge influence. Every aspect of our life is touched by technology. Being a good leader of meaningful technology integration isn't different from other types of leadership except that it is all encompassing. My students can name a million different aspects of life and every one can be related to technology. In order to be a good leader of technology I need to bring my A game or I'll get swept away in the ever changing, ever expanding world of tech. There is no passive observers of technology, either your paying close attention or your lost completely. My job as a leader of technology is to help those who are paying attention be prepared for the next big thing.
From your perspective, what are the benefits and the challenges of teacher leadership for technology (for teachers, for students, for schools, for the profession)?
If I'm a leader of technology then I am informed of all the latest and greatest ideas out there. I know what kind of cool new ideas can be utilized in my classroom and I always get to blow my students mind's first. The initial shock is worth its weight in gold, especially when utilized to teach a new concept in class. The shock itself has probably raised my test score exponentially, but the shock also helps them remember what I'm teaching. The students retain more knowledge because the event connect the dots between something they love, new technology, and something they need to know, science.
Teacher leadership includes helping new teachers get accustomed to the school and school policies, being a mentor to current and new teachers, and providing resources to other teachers. During my student teaching I was able to witness teacher leadership. All of the 8th grade teachers ate lunch together, which provided a time to discuss the problems they were having with certain students or provide assistance to one another. I was able to ask how the other teachers disciplined the problem students, but I also received advice from the other science teacher about other activities that she thought students would like. There was a leader, but everyone worked together. All teacher leaders have a common goal: they use their expertise in their certified area to help others that are not as comfortable with that content by providing assistance and resources. A technology leader differs from content leaders because they help others embrace change. Technology has emerged over the past 40 plus years and many teachers from older generations fear the change. They are uncomfortable with technology, whereas technology is second nature to current generations. Therefore, a technology leader is essential for all schools. They can provide assistance to teachers that are new to using these new age literacies and continue to locate current resources for all teachers. A technology leader would allow content teachers to focus on the content, while the technology leader would assist with the incorporation of technology in the classroom.
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I agree with you that all teachers have a common goal and that we all need to work together to gather and share information to supply us with different perspectives. It is beneficial to ask questions and gain advice from other teachers.
DeleteGetting student's attention and interest in the material seems to be the most challenging part of teaching. I like your comments that "The initial shock is worth its weight in gold, especially when utilized to teach a new concept in class." You are effectively using technology to capture your student's attention and once you have it you can introduce the material in a way that they will hopefully learn and retain the information.
DeleteScott - the article in Module 2 about technology as a change agent in teacher practice is going to resonate with you. I agree that leadership can be exercised in the classroom - good teachers do need to be out in front, leading the way in the lives of their students or risk being, as you describe it, swept away.
DeleteTeacher leadership is having teachers who take the responsibility to learn how to do new things and help other teachers learn how to do them, too. I feel that the best teacher leaders that I know do this in a way that ensures everyone wants to learn the new idea, whatever it may be. They do not do this in a standoffish or superior way but in a way that is supportive. I am lucky because I have many such individuals at my school that are excellent leaders. Many teachers will go to different seminars and come back and share what they learn with the group. Later on, if anyone has a question about using the new technology in the classroom the teachers are ready to help at any time.
ReplyDeleteI believe the most important difference in leadership in meaningful technology is not only learning new ways to incorporate the technology in the classroom but being able to build on it and continue to find new technology and new ways to use the technology that we have in finding the best ways to get our content across to our audience.
There are a lot of both benefits and challenges that we will face with technology in the classroom. One benefit is that we need to expose our students to as much technology that we can to prepare them for their future in a technology driven world. Another benefit is that with technology, most students become more engaged with the lesson. This means that the students learn more and students’ scores increase; helping the students and the school. Challenges that teacher leaders face is adversity from colleagues who do not want to change with the times. Another challenge that schools face is that sometimes the addition of technology can be expensive and during these difficult economic times it can be a hardship on schools. But with all of the obstacles that can be in the way, I believe the rewards well outweigh the obstacles that we may face.
Vickie,
DeleteYour post is well said! I like that you pointed out the responsibility a teacher-leader takes on to learn something new and then share it! I think this has been occurring in schools for ages, but now technology has added a new medium, a new learning strategy, a new pedagogy to the mix. Many of the qualities of teacher-leadership have not changed, the “it” has simply changed. In order to be an effective teacher-leader, you must still lead in a supportive way. Another aspect that none of us has thought to mention is the impact students can have on this whole technology teacher-leadership dynamic. When students get their hands on technology in the classroom, they want to use it more and more. They will want to use it in other classrooms. So, particularly at the secondary level, when a student is using technology in a technology teacher-leader classroom, they will want to use it in the other teachers' classrooms. This prompts change that the teacher-leader simply needs to take advantage of and begin sharing what they know works that's getting the students excited about learning!
I do not work in a classroom everyday however I have been in a professional position for many years. I work full time as a dietitian at a long term nursing facility. I witness people who have leadership positions and people who do not have a title but are true leaders. I am involved in informal teaching on a daily basis when I counsel patients, families and staff. I am responsible for the nutritional care of my patients but need to interact with all departments such as physical therapy, occupational therapy, nursing, the doctors and the foodservice department. I do not want to sound conceited as I make this statement but people come to me for guidance with not only nutritional questions but advise on how to handle different situations or for where to go for information or a way to solve a problem. I am the go to person when there is a computer application problem although we have an IT person. I think this happens because I take the time to help them, guide them where to look for answers or teach them how to use different computer applications. I often have to stay on my own time to finish my work because I took time for my day to help someone. I do not have a title of leader but cannot see myself being any other way and I think this will be underlying factor as I proceed in investigating leadership in this class.
ReplyDeleteI believe teacher leadership includes being a leader for our students as well as other teachers. By demonstrating a willingness to learn and utilize new technology, we are taking a leadership role. I also agree with the article "10 Roles for Teacher Leaders" which lists being a learner as a role of teacher leaders. Being a leader in the classroom includes being willing to learn from others (including students).
ReplyDeleteSeveral ideas come to mind when I consider the leadership I have observed/experienced. I am a first year teacher. I have a mentor and entire team that have acted as leaders in my department by actively teaching me the nuances of special education. In turn, I share the newest information and resources that I discover at the multitude of trainings that I attend. As teachers to our students, we all take on the leadership role as the heads of our classes and first line of defense for the students on our caseloads.
Leadership for technology education is not that different from other leadership roles. It still involves teaching, learning, and motivating others to meaningfully participate.
There are many benefits of taking on a technology leadership role in schools. As reflected in "The New Literacies" the benefits to our students are great. Any time that I am able to complete work with my students using computers or other technology, they are always more interested. The advent of technology has opened the door to more practical and convenient ways to utilize technology in the classroom. Our department recently received IPads for use with our students. The number and variety of APPs available will definitely broaden the methods and varieties of teaching models available. I suppose the greatest burden of any of these technologies will be controlling the content and focus of students while using them. I teach an online credit recovery course at my school. No matter the number of blocked sites and computer safeguards, I kick a student off of music or other non-educational sites constantly. As an effective technology leader in the schools, we will have to work on presenting the positive aspects of technology use with our students while controlling the negative aspects as much as possible.
Being able to learn from others is absolutely essential. Know-it-all leaders don't last long because their followers leave to find a new leader who listens and takes suggestions. My students are at an age when listening to their suggestions and allowing them to speak their mind validates their opinion. A good leader can always find a way to validate other's opinion, even if the opinions are absolutely wrong.
DeleteThe other aspect of being a good leader is recognizing whom you lead. "Any time that I am able to complete work with my students using computers or other technology, they are always more interested." When you recognize that your students respond well to technology it makes you a thoughtful leader to continue the implementation of technology. Any good leader wants the best for their followers and it seems your followers enjoy technology. When you continue the use of technology you demonstrate good leadership.
Danielle, I didn't think about how easy it could be for students to use the technology inappropriately. Good point and definitely something that I will be congnizant of in my future classroom. It takes a leader to realize what students could be doing off task and how to deal with it appropriately. This is something that can also be shared with colleagues.
DeleteI received a brochure for a leadership conference in my mailbox at school today. On it had a quote that I found to be particularly relevant for this class. It was "To be a leader for the next century, you have to be able to bring out the best in people."-Patricia Aburdene, The Leader's Companion
ReplyDeleteVickie - please share the information about the conference if you think it looks worthwhile. Thanks, Dr. Webb-Dempsey
DeleteAfter I read your message, I looked around for the pamphlet and couldn't find it. I even asked some of my fellow teachers if they still had the pamphlet, to no avail. It was being held in Columbus, Ohio (in May I think). Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. I would have liked to go to it; but, maybe I can go next year when I am finished with school. :)
DeleteTeacher leadership would involve the same attributes as almost any good leader of people. I think good leader traits include educated, honest, flexible, persuasive, preparedness, and abilities to actively and openly listen and discuss particular topics with others. I have observed my own college teachers and the principals and teachers from my student teaching experience. I have witnesses all these particular traits with most of the educators I have encountered. At teacher meetings these qualities definitely come into play for administrators to be effective leaders. People expect to be treated with respect and gratitude to be persuaded to do more or go the extra mile to create an overall success. Leadership for meaningful technology integration should have the same qualities. An effective leader should model what is expected which communicates the responsibility of engaging in professional growth through technology integration. Today’s constantly emerging technologies can have the effect of feeling unprepared and to incorporate meaningful technology educators need to be enabled with proper experience. Research indicates that the effective use of technology can result in higher levels of learning, should the education system adapt to make changes.
ReplyDeleteTeacher leadership to me is a teacher taking the initiative to learn and bring new ideas and technologies into the school setting in order to improve the functioning of the school ecosystem on many levels. A teacher leader is committed to improvement and is able to collaborate with students, colleagues, administrators, school boards, and the community. I have not observed a lot of teacher leadership bringing technology in the classroom in the public school setting as this movement did not begin until I was almost finished with high school. During my undergraduate years, I had a professor who implemented the use of computer programs and more informal type assessments in an upper level criminal justice course. After this, I noticed several other professors following suit and implementing more technology and informal assessment into their curriculum. I remember professors collaborating in order to assist with barriers that occurred with the students due to being unfamiliar with the technology. Through the use of this technology and differing assessments, I was able to retain more information and gain leadership/collaboration skills. I was also able to apply this technology in my future career. In my current career, I experience leadership in my profession when I work with a colleague to gather information and research better ways to assess and assist our clients in gaining skills and improve their functioning levels. I have assisted in presenting these findings to a supervisor, which changed our methods of developing treatment plans. Leadership for meaningful technology is different from other types of leadership because I think that integrating meaningful technology in the classroom involves many factors including the expense of tools and materials, cooperation from other administrators and teachers in learning and implementing new technology, and spending time acquainting students with new technology. The biggest stumbling block is helping administrators and other teachers to accept and become comfortable with using new technology. There are many benefits of teacher leadership for technology. By integrating technology into classrooms, students are exposed to more avenues to learn information and develop important skills such as technological skills, leadership skills, collaborative skills, and creativity. Teachers benefit from teacher leadership for technology because they are able to experience professional development, develop new roles in their school, district, and community, and complete their professional duties in a more efficient manner. Schools benefit from teacher leadership for technology because the school environment improves due to the more collaborative nature of students, teachers, administrators, and the community. New technology can help the school itself become more efficient by implementing new methods for learning and developing student skills. There are also many challenges of teacher leadership for technology such as facilitating the use of technological tools in schools where some administration and teachers are reluctant to learn/utilize such media. It could be difficult to assess student performance when using technology. Finally, technological media can be expensive and it could be difficult to find funding, especially in this age of budget cuts. Although there are challenges in teacher leadership for technology, the benefits are well worth the challenge.
ReplyDeleteTeacher leadership goes hand-in-hand with all other types of leadership. One of the most important traits a teacher must possess to be a leader, or for anyone to be a leader, is possessing the ability to communicate effectively. Without being able to communicate effectively, there is no open communication channel within the workplace. A teacher not only communicates with his/her students, but also other staff members, administrators, parents/family members of students enrolled in the school, and sometimes the community. For technology to be effective in and out of the classroom, everyone must communicate. Communication is everything in today's society, in and out of the classroom. We must be able to communicate issues, goals, or just have a normal conversation. But, as teachers, we need to be open to the use of technology in the classroom. Technology is always going to be there, and even though some teachers may be reluctant to use it within the classroom, it might make learning more effective, or it might enhance a project that the students or doing, or maybe it even engages students more than simple paper and pencil would.
ReplyDeleteI think that you have focused on two very important factors of teacher leaders. Communication is the key to sucess you couldnt have said it better and the fact that some teachers are reluctant to the intergration of technology. Some teachers want to stick with the traditional methods of classroom instruction, which I can understand why- but our students need the intergration of technology to fuel their needs and improve their learning- their minds are not that of a traditional student. Great Post.
DeleteTeacher leadership is when a teacher or educator takes on roles beyond that of the normal definition of an educator. Teacher educators are the those educatorss that take on those additional tasks and go above and beyond. Teacher leaders are those who take the lead and lead their staff in a new direction, introduce and inspire a new instructional method or encourage continued education. Basically teacher leadership is when a teacher makes the effort to lead others to sucess.
ReplyDeleteSome examples of teacher leadership would include: deparmental chairs, curriculum teams, mentors, or trainers. Through my experience thus far as a first year teacher I have expereinced many teacher leaders. In my school we have a vocational director which is an administrator that oversees all career and technical areas of study. So you better understand my area, I teacher the Information Managment Cluster which falls under Business and Marketing in the Career and Technical education areas in West Virginia. Under our vocational director we have a Career and Tech chair, which is a teacher that is incharge of all vocational teachers and all questions are presented to him, he steps in if their is an absence of the vocational director, and he reports our requests or meeting findings to the curriculum team (I will explain that shortly). Under our Career and Tech Chair we have the deparmental chair, this teacher is incharge of all teacher teaching their area of study for example all the the Business Education Chair is incharge of all Business Teachers. Our school has a hiearchy of teacher leaders, through a system that I believe proves to be very sucessful. I have also experienced speaking with the curriculum team, which is a variety of teachers selected from each department to make school wide descissions. The final way I have experienced teacher leadership is through my various meetings with my mentor, he is an experienced teacher of over 30 years. We have 1 meeting a week to discuss any questions or concerns I may have, he also observes me and gives me advice. This has been a great experience and I have really learned alot through the process.
How is leadership for
I believe that leadership for meaningful technology integration is different from other kinds of leadership because the focus is not necessarily on helping other teachers out in struggling areas or areas of concern, but rather improving the form of education we are giving to our students. By incoporating technology we are changing from the traditioanl classroom strategies to new and improved ones. Some times the more expereinced teachers are the ones against this type of movement, whereas the other types of teacher leadership are apealing to older and more expereinced teachers.
I believe that it is very important that we incoporate technology into our instructional methods. Our students have grown up using technology and most of the time now more about it then we do. Our students are constantly using technology outside of the classroom to function in their daily lives. We need to grasp our students attention in the classroom and how to better do that than using technology. As educators we need to make learning fun so that the students enjoy learning and are more likely to retain what we are teaching them. Technology is not just a good idea in the classroom it is a must.
Guess I'm late, but better than never. Teacher leadership to me is an idea that spans well beyond the classroom. My first thought of teachers leaders of course is in the classroom, leading students in discussions, guiding them in their project based learning activities and other such examples. The next logical step is the teacher leader in the school. At my school there are several different committees in which many different teachers participate. These committees range from the curriculum team to the School Improvement Council. I for one am on the school improvement council, which for me means discussing with different faculty members and students the areas in which they see around the school that could use improvement. The next step in my micro to macro evolution is at the county level. In my couty this would constitute being a building rep for different committees or groups at the county level. I am not currently a building rep for any group, so my experience at this level is limited. The last stage on this evolution is the community level. This level goes well beyond the confines of the school and integrates into aspects of the general community. Church leadership, government leadership and community involvement in general. In my community the main affair for the year is the woodchoppers festival. The festival committee has three teachers serving as well as the chair. Several county public offices have been held or been run for by teachers who are retired.
ReplyDeleteLeadership for technology integration is different from other types of leadership because it is a new frontier. The curriculum team for example, deals with changes, but they occur at a slower pace than that of technology. Technology is a landscape that can change from day to day, so in order to be a leader in technology integration, that person must remain focused and well read to keep up with the changes.
Teacher leadership offers experience outside of the classroom. It gives teachers a chance to contribute to the environment in which they teach. My involvement on the curriculum team assures that the arts in my school are represented when choices have to be made concerning the offerings at our school. This is extremely important given the fact that content subjects that are contained on state testing are given preference to other subjects in my school.
From my perspective the benefits of teacher leadership in technology are simple. In a world of education that is changing rapidly, one in which our students are highly involved and motivated and one in which the community as a workforce is utilizing, it is important that we as educators continue to reinforce the skills needed by our students to become productive members of our communities. As a teacher I have a chance to use technology to connect with my students in a manner in which was not available to the teachers when I was a student. As a student, children now have the capacity to create an environment in which they can be successful and thrive. For the schools it is a manner in which communication between the schools and the community (parents, employers, officials) can stay connected, and work with one another that has not been available beforehand.
As the various articles demonstrated, teacher leadership has a wide range of different definitions. I feel the most basic way to describe a teacher leader is any teacher that steps out of their way to help someone else achieve a higher standard. I teach in two very small country schools, where being part of the leadership teams is a requirement. Each school I work in has around 10 teachers. We are constantly helping each other with multiple topics such as new teaching strategies, different approaches to discipline issues, exciting new things we have found to peak our students’ interests or just to have a bouncing board to throw problems back and forth to. A leader not only informs but also listens to the problems at hand. Sometimes listening can be even more helpful as a leader than imposing your ideas upon them. In one of my schools we have been participating in a data program for the past two years, as we get more familiar with the program we look for more ways to improve our scores. The program collects 1-3 minute snapshots of your teaching throughout the entire day to monitor the teaching/ learning strategies used in your classroom. The highest scores to achieve are ones that the students are actively engaged and responsible for their learning through basically a PBL sort of project and the teacher simply observes and controls the classroom from afar. As a team we want to achieve the highest scores so we work together to come up with different suggestions to use in our own classrooms. The leadership comes from within the group for the desire to achieve higher standards for us and our students.
ReplyDeleteWhen applying leadership to technology integration, the roles typically change. In our schools we have several different types of technology to offer our students; the problem is that most of our teaching staff has not grown up using the devices as our students have. This is where the leadership is introduced. In both schools we have a few teachers that get the advantages to technology and then we have teachers that need assistance when implementing anything new to their curriculum. When a new device arrives there is usually a brief training session to familiarize you with the item, and then someone becomes the school leader to help everyone learn how to implement the device in their classes. The leader usually doesn’t have an official title but everyone always knows exactly who to see for help. The technology leader is different from other leadership roles because usually the whole school is involved in regular leadership decisions whereas the technology leader is usually narrowed down to one and sometimes two teachers. The benefit of technology is that it has opened the entire world as a resource for our classrooms. Lessons that used to take hours researching in a library or physically creating from resources such as paper, wood and glue, take 30 seconds or less to find on the computer. Students are able to explore opinions different than those in their own classrooms by connecting with children across the globe. The challenge for teachers is to know where to search for the best resources for their classrooms. As for technology leaders, their challenge is simply stated that technology constantly changes as quickly as night and day. The second a technology leader stops to say that they don’t want to learn anymore about technology they are around a day behind everyone else. The benefit of technology leadership is always being able to know how to implement new creative ideas into your classroom and to be able to share your ideas with others. Technology is a fast-paced creative world the best way to stay ahead is to be a leader in some way to help others learn and grow in their profession.
One could argue that leadership in teaching means being able to adapt your own personal beliefs and teaching concepts to beneficially serve ones students. Unquestionably, the roles that a teacher must assume are continuously changing with the philosophies and technology of the time. Educators have to face the reality that new doctrines emerge, and classroom practices are eternally changing. Therefore, the ability to adapt is a pure necessity. If one were to merely investigate, the changes that inclusion has brought about, it would be evident that modifications in the classroom are an everyday norm. I will be the first person to admit that I hate technology, and up until the time that I entered the classroom for the first time, I believed that lecturing was the best way to disseminate information. That thought was quickly eradicated, and I was forced to change tactics instantaneously, for fear that, I would lose my students attention completely. Technology has certainly become the new mainstream concept in education. Every aspect of education has progressed beyond unpretentious edifying capacities; even simple lesson plans for most schools now have to include NETS standards. Furthermore, I am taking more technological advanced classes to promote my own personal capabilities. Teachers have to be able to include new resources and develop new strategies to influence innovative students, and comply with contemporary criteria. Additionally, learning how to utilize and employ new systems, and equipment is crucial. Is does absolutely no good to have a smart board installed and use it as a screen for your old projector. Another characteristic of leadership is taking the initiative, and leading by example. Teachers need to work on getting the right equipment into the classroom, and helping those around them to use it. Educators that attend a seminar or workshop should bring back their newly found skills and circulate them amongst the other staff members. It is our responsibility as teachers to ensure that we offer the highest quality digital aged learning that we can. To do that we have to discontinue the use of outdated techniques, and realign ourselves and those around us, with the advanced tools and methods of a changing society. Even though this is a difficult task, it is not impossible. However, I have already encountered many roadblocks including a lack of funding and training programs available, and the unwillingness of some educators to change their approaches. It is not to say that they are not effective teachers, they are merely hesitant and challenging, some of which will complain and try to block any advance that you try to make.
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